Comments on: Learning Scheme with me http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/ My opinion on Teaching, Programming, Technology and Web 2.0 in Mauritius Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:05:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: avinash http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-120522 avinash Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:52:32 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-120522 Hi Ashesh, I will teach Prolog for the next two week and then swiftly move to Ruby for one month. I don't intend to teach Rails though. I'll focus on the scripting and metaprogramming capabilities of Ruby. Hi Ashesh,

I will teach Prolog for the next two week and then swiftly move to Ruby for one month. I don’t intend to teach Rails though. I’ll focus on the scripting and metaprogramming capabilities of Ruby.

]]> By: Ashesh http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-120521 Ashesh Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:40:38 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-120521 Hello Sir, After Scheme, are you planning or do you have in mind to teach Ruby/Rails? Hello Sir,

After Scheme, are you planning or do you have in mind to teach Ruby/Rails?

]]> By: avinash http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-119580 avinash Sun, 09 Mar 2008 07:47:18 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-119580 What is more interesting is to invent something new. Alan Kay said: "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." And Coluche said (I'm translating): "It's easy to be intelligent: think of something really dumb and say the exact inverse" As for “that’s no big deal, he only did it coz he was born first”, I'm not too sure about that or else there would have been nothing else to invent... because there were so many people born before us ;-) What is more interesting is to invent something new.

Alan Kay said: “The best way to predict the future is to invent it.”

And Coluche said (I’m translating): “It’s easy to be intelligent: think of something really dumb and say the exact inverse”

As for “that’s no big deal, he only did it coz he was born first”, I’m not too sure about that or else there would have been nothing else to invent… because there were so many people born before us ;-)

]]> By: selven http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-118814 selven Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:46:39 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-118814 what i find even more interesting (compared to know who invented it), is to re invent that tool, atleast, that gives me a sense of "that's no big deal, he only did it coz he was born first" :p what i find even more interesting (compared to know who invented it), is to re invent that tool, atleast, that gives me a sense of “that’s no big deal, he only did it coz he was born first” :p

]]> By: avinash http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-117014 avinash Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:30:43 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-117014 Nice of you to say that. I think it's essential that students know who have invented the tools they use and why. It's a good way to appreciate the tool and to (maybe) predict what the future will be. Nice of you to say that.

I think it’s essential that students know who have invented the tools they use and why. It’s a good way to appreciate the tool and to (maybe) predict what the future will be.

]]> By: Sandeep http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116909 Sandeep Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:19:28 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116909 I find scheme to be a good way of exploring other ways of programming. The teach-pack in Scheme make programs more obvious to understand... you remember the celsius program? You are the only lecturer who talks about technology and the people who developed them. Its encouraging and insightful. I find scheme to be a good way of exploring other ways of programming. The teach-pack in Scheme make programs more obvious to understand… you remember the celsius program?

You are the only lecturer who talks about technology and the people who developed them. Its encouraging and insightful.

]]> By: avinash http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116682 avinash Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:13:50 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116682 My feeling is that people have missed the point for a long time. You can't really write a complete application <strong>productively</strong> using only one programming language. For instance, a game's 3D engine can be written in C++, the AI part using Scheme and Prolog and everything glued using Ruby. And plugins would be written in Lua. The languages only have to share the same "object model" whatever that may mean... It seems that Microsoft was ahead of the rest after all with its .NET architecture :-) My feeling is that people have missed the point for a long time. You can’t really write a complete application productively using only one programming language. For instance, a game’s 3D engine can be written in C++, the AI part using Scheme and Prolog and everything glued using Ruby. And plugins would be written in Lua. The languages only have to share the same “object model” whatever that may mean…

It seems that Microsoft was ahead of the rest after all with its .NET architecture :-)

]]> By: flyjason http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116674 flyjason Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:31:18 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116674 Languages always crop up...but will they stand the test of time? This is what is at stakes!! For example, logic programming languages (such as PROLOG) which were praised decades ago and indeed looked evenly promising are almost obsolete today. Exploratory programming looks equally promising. Will it shape the programming world to new heights? Will it be adopted by professionals? Is it a Big Idea? Let's see if it lives up to expectation. Languages always crop up…but will they stand the test of time? This is what is at stakes!! For example, logic programming languages (such as PROLOG) which were praised decades ago and indeed looked evenly promising are almost obsolete today.

Exploratory programming looks equally promising. Will it shape the programming world to new heights? Will it be adopted by professionals? Is it a Big Idea? Let’s see if it lives up to expectation.

]]> By: avinash http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116639 avinash Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:20:49 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116639 What about <a href="http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2007/02/next-big-language.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>? Or <a href="http://arclanguage.org/" rel="nofollow">this</a>? Or simply <a href="http://www.ruby-lang.org/" rel="nofollow">this</a> (or <a href="http://jruby.codehaus.org/" rel="nofollow">this</a>)? What about this? Or this?

Or simply this (or this)?

]]> By: flyjason http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116615 flyjason Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:11:05 +0000 http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2008/02/25/learning-scheme-with-me/#comment-116615 Looking at the first slide "...lists 8512 programming languages!", which is wow a huge and very impressive number indeed!!, reminds me about a telling article (http://www.bitwisemag.com/2/The-Next-Big-Thing-In-Programming) which I recently read on bitwisemag. I recommend everyone of you to have a glimpse at it (actually it may perhaps unlock the future). So why are there so many PLs??! Hmm simply because most of them are YACLL (‘Yes Another C-Like Language’)!!! How do these languages really differ? Yeah you got it...a great deal of them are structured the same way with slight variations in the syntax. Here is an excerpt of the article (The Next Big Thing in Programming): /* ...In the long history of programming they will, ultimately, all be seen as ‘more or less the same thing’ doing ‘more or less the same job’. ...These are all, in their way, useful languages. But they are devoid of Big Ideas. */ Yes, all of us must be wondering about what Big thing or breakthrough to loom up next in programming, if any?!!! Up to now, "...the goal has been to get the job done rather than to change the nature of the job itself". The future is perhaps already set - and it’s YACLL!!! I desperately hope I'm wrong on that. Looking at the first slide “…lists 8512 programming languages!”, which is wow a huge and very impressive number indeed!!, reminds me about a telling article (http://www.bitwisemag.com/2/The-Next-Big-Thing-In-Programming) which I recently read on bitwisemag. I recommend everyone of you to have a glimpse at it (actually it may perhaps unlock the future).

So why are there so many PLs??! Hmm simply because most of them are YACLL (‘Yes Another C-Like Language’)!!! How do these languages really differ? Yeah you got it…a great deal of them are structured the same way with slight variations in the syntax.

Here is an excerpt of the article (The Next Big Thing in Programming):
/*
…In the long history of programming they will, ultimately, all be seen as ‘more or less the same thing’ doing ‘more or less the same job’.

…These are all, in their way, useful languages. But they are devoid of Big Ideas.
*/

Yes, all of us must be wondering about what Big thing or breakthrough to loom up next in programming, if any?!!! Up to now, “…the goal has been to get the job done rather than to change the nature of the job itself”.

The future is perhaps already set – and it’s YACLL!!! I desperately hope I’m wrong on that.

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