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	<description>My opinion on Teaching, Programming, Technology and Web 2.0 in Mauritius</description>
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		<title>By: Why is programming so hard? &#124; e.young</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-135311</link>
		<dc:creator>Why is programming so hard? &#124; e.young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AVINASH, here&#8217;s a blog that will surely interest you about the apparent difficulty in learning to program. Is it that some people cannot formulate algorithms? Or, is it the programming language that makes it so difficult? The author tries to answer these questions. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] AVINASH, here&#8217;s a blog that will surely interest you about the apparent difficulty in learning to program. Is it that some people cannot formulate algorithms? Or, is it the programming language that makes it so difficult? The author tries to answer these questions. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pomme 4 lyf</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-122072</link>
		<dc:creator>pomme 4 lyf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“IT is like driving a car. Everyone should know how to drive a car. CS is like being a car designer. Few will do that. And you’ll only be successful if you have the right aptitudes and mindset. And, of course, what you need to learn in order to become a car designer has nothing to do with what you need to learn to know how to drive. [b]It’s even perfectly possible to have a car designer who does not know how to drive![/b]”

hope html tags work, im so sorry, i so wouldn&#039;t be driving a car designed by my uncle who has been selling gato piment who likes to design cars.

and im sure you would like to have a car designer that at least knows how a car is supposed to look like. 

this sadly where programmers will never understand their role in corporate machines, not throwing names, but programmers/developers simply do no know the importance of what a program can do or not, they do not understand the meaning of it, for them it&#039;s all about programming and solving the problem. 

it is like most things in life, some people are meant to be bus drivers and some executives. they are just being used by &#039;someone else&#039; to do a job they are better at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“IT is like driving a car. Everyone should know how to drive a car. CS is like being a car designer. Few will do that. And you’ll only be successful if you have the right aptitudes and mindset. And, of course, what you need to learn in order to become a car designer has nothing to do with what you need to learn to know how to drive. [b]It’s even perfectly possible to have a car designer who does not know how to drive![/b]”</p>
<p>hope html tags work, im so sorry, i so wouldn&#8217;t be driving a car designed by my uncle who has been selling gato piment who likes to design cars.</p>
<p>and im sure you would like to have a car designer that at least knows how a car is supposed to look like. </p>
<p>this sadly where programmers will never understand their role in corporate machines, not throwing names, but programmers/developers simply do no know the importance of what a program can do or not, they do not understand the meaning of it, for them it&#8217;s all about programming and solving the problem. </p>
<p>it is like most things in life, some people are meant to be bus drivers and some executives. they are just being used by &#8217;someone else&#8217; to do a job they are better at.</p>
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		<title>By: pomme 4 lyf</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-122071</link>
		<dc:creator>pomme 4 lyf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after reading a few education based topics, i can honestly say that GEN X is the major cause of all this nonsense, my parents (both highly qualified professionals) still see education (learning english, french, evs) as being the most important thing in life, well in their days that was important but when the content hasn&#039;t been evolving, then we are unfortunately being educated in caveman studies. 

the importance for us as a small nation is to understand the principle of education, the values that it provides, life isn&#039;t about being the big boss, but rather balancing both. 

our gen has choice, a creation of GEN X, so if our problem is choice, then we have no one to blame but them, but im not blaming them, i love choice. 
but the narrow mentality has to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after reading a few education based topics, i can honestly say that GEN X is the major cause of all this nonsense, my parents (both highly qualified professionals) still see education (learning english, french, evs) as being the most important thing in life, well in their days that was important but when the content hasn&#8217;t been evolving, then we are unfortunately being educated in caveman studies. </p>
<p>the importance for us as a small nation is to understand the principle of education, the values that it provides, life isn&#8217;t about being the big boss, but rather balancing both. </p>
<p>our gen has choice, a creation of GEN X, so if our problem is choice, then we have no one to blame but them, but im not blaming them, i love choice.<br />
but the narrow mentality has to change.</p>
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		<title>By: pomme 4 lyf</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-122067</link>
		<dc:creator>pomme 4 lyf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well the chart looks like a simple life cycle, if it repeats itself in 20 years it would be amazing, but i think more like 10 years will be the next boost. 

i was a CS student, but a career wise it wasn&#039;t going to get me anywhere, that was in 2003. 

most of the IT work also relates on how the market and how willing customers are ready to take up new technology, the consumer drives the cash flow for future expansion. 

IBM and microsoft can build windows &#039;extraordinaire; but if businesses do not see the need to implement it to benefit the consumer/customer then windows &#039;extraordinaire&#039; become &#039;simple&#039; 

suck is life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well the chart looks like a simple life cycle, if it repeats itself in 20 years it would be amazing, but i think more like 10 years will be the next boost. </p>
<p>i was a CS student, but a career wise it wasn&#8217;t going to get me anywhere, that was in 2003. </p>
<p>most of the IT work also relates on how the market and how willing customers are ready to take up new technology, the consumer drives the cash flow for future expansion. </p>
<p>IBM and microsoft can build windows &#8216;extraordinaire; but if businesses do not see the need to implement it to benefit the consumer/customer then windows &#8216;extraordinaire&#8217; become &#8217;simple&#8217; </p>
<p>suck is life.</p>
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		<title>By: selven</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-52752</link>
		<dc:creator>selven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:p sa c vrai, reading &#039;txt speek&#039; is hard to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:p sa c vrai, reading &#8216;txt speek&#8217; is hard to read.</p>
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		<title>By: avinash</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-52723</link>
		<dc:creator>avinash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eddy,

I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll get lots of answers from students :-)

My opinion is that it&#039;s true students use of a lot of &quot;txt speak&quot; (on their websites, in the emails they send me, etc.) but not in their assignments or reports.

What is more troublesome is that sometimes I notice a lot of plagiarism in the reports. For instance, in the final year report, the &quot;background study&quot; part, which is supposed to be a comparative study of various technologies, is sometimes just a lot of copy-paste from websites without any form of continuity and/or coherence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eddy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll get lots of answers from students <img src='http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My opinion is that it&#8217;s true students use of a lot of &#8220;txt speak&#8221; (on their websites, in the emails they send me, etc.) but not in their assignments or reports.</p>
<p>What is more troublesome is that sometimes I notice a lot of plagiarism in the reports. For instance, in the final year report, the &#8220;background study&#8221; part, which is supposed to be a comparative study of various technologies, is sometimes just a lot of copy-paste from websites without any form of continuity and/or coherence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy Young</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-52630</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash,

I&#039;m curious--- How is the quality of the writing in the assignments that your students turn in?

The reason I ask is, lately I&#039;ve been reading many blogs from UoM and UTM students, and to be honest, I&#039;m appalled by the poor quality of English of many of those. I&#039;m not saying that these bloggers should write perfect English (or French), but as future scientists and IT consultants, they will be brought to produce reports that present information as effectively as possible. Yet, I can see a high proportion of &quot;txt speak&quot; which is not only hard to read by anyone other than hardcore texters, but also lack structure and evidence of any clear-thinking behind.

I&#039;ll probably get flamed for this, but I&#039;m also hoping that it will generate some discussion.

-- Eddy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious&#8212; How is the quality of the writing in the assignments that your students turn in?</p>
<p>The reason I ask is, lately I&#8217;ve been reading many blogs from UoM and UTM students, and to be honest, I&#8217;m appalled by the poor quality of English of many of those. I&#8217;m not saying that these bloggers should write perfect English (or French), but as future scientists and IT consultants, they will be brought to produce reports that present information as effectively as possible. Yet, I can see a high proportion of &#8220;txt speak&#8221; which is not only hard to read by anyone other than hardcore texters, but also lack structure and evidence of any clear-thinking behind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll probably get flamed for this, but I&#8217;m also hoping that it will generate some discussion.</p>
<p>&#8211; Eddy</p>
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		<title>By: selven</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-52036</link>
		<dc:creator>selven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:p @ yung, 
Indeed dBase III rule, the thing programing thing i learnt and that got me to like programming at that time, i remember it was truly wonderful being able to create something in the computer (and something that worked :p). But then i am not old like you guys :p, and wasn supposed to be dBase III, but the teacher wanted us to learn that instead of foxpro or access :p, thank god h did.


@avinash:
As far as the maths...  huh nevermind, no comments

+S3&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:p @ yung,<br />
Indeed dBase III rule, the thing programing thing i learnt and that got me to like programming at that time, i remember it was truly wonderful being able to create something in the computer (and something that worked :p). But then i am not old like you guys :p, and wasn supposed to be dBase III, but the teacher wanted us to learn that instead of foxpro or access :p, thank god h did.</p>
<p>@avinash:<br />
As far as the maths&#8230;  huh nevermind, no comments</p>
<p>+S3|</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy Young</title>
		<link>http://www.noulakaz.net/weblog/2007/10/04/declining-interest-in-computer-science/#comment-51934</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having sat for the HSC exams only once and not having had a look at any syllabus since, I cannot make an objective comment. 

However, I can say that I think that the education system here is much better than in Mauritius. People tend to think that since Mauritian students are tested by universities in the UK, the education system in the two countries are similar. That could not be further from the truth. The subjects available to Mauritian students form only a small subset of those available here. Students have a virtually unlimited pool of career choices. For example, my young neighbour is now a trainee policeman after studying Public Services in college, and his sister is training to become a nurse in college. 

I think that this large choice of careers gives young people the opportunity to get into a field that they like and will perform well instead of being coralled into specific ones as in Mauritius. Ask anyone in Mauritius what they want to do, and the typical answer you will get is &quot;become a software developer/doctor/dentist/lawyer/economist/accountant&quot;. Ask a youth over here, and you could get romantic answers, like &quot;I want to be a fireman/policeman&quot;! 

--Eddy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having sat for the HSC exams only once and not having had a look at any syllabus since, I cannot make an objective comment. </p>
<p>However, I can say that I think that the education system here is much better than in Mauritius. People tend to think that since Mauritian students are tested by universities in the UK, the education system in the two countries are similar. That could not be further from the truth. The subjects available to Mauritian students form only a small subset of those available here. Students have a virtually unlimited pool of career choices. For example, my young neighbour is now a trainee policeman after studying Public Services in college, and his sister is training to become a nurse in college. </p>
<p>I think that this large choice of careers gives young people the opportunity to get into a field that they like and will perform well instead of being coralled into specific ones as in Mauritius. Ask anyone in Mauritius what they want to do, and the typical answer you will get is &#8220;become a software developer/doctor/dentist/lawyer/economist/accountant&#8221;. Ask a youth over here, and you could get romantic answers, like &#8220;I want to be a fireman/policeman&#8221;! </p>
<p>&#8211;Eddy</p>
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		<title>By: avinash</title>
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		<dc:creator>avinash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Chervine:

My mistake...

To Eddy:

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Chervine:</p>
<p>My mistake&#8230;</p>
<p>To Eddy:</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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